Embracing Ancient Wisdom to Reshape Our Lives with Gregg Braden

Welcome to Let It Be Easy with Susie Moore.

Susie Moore:

I am delighted to bring the one and only Gregg Braden to you today, my friends. It's taken almost two years to get this man on the podcast because hey, he's out there changing lives. And I first discovered Greg Braden through actually an astrology who I started working with years ago. She's like, oh, you must follow Gregg Braden. And then a friend of mine, Emily, taught me about HeartMath. And I find that Gregg is on the board of HeartMath and I dove into his work. I love his most recent book, the Wisdom Codes so much, it is a must read. It's all about how ancient words rewire our brains and heal our hearts. We talk about love, protection, peace, loss. There is so much to gather from this book, Gregg and I discuss it here on the podcast today. If you dunno him, he is a five time New York Times bestselling author.

He's a scientist, an educator, and a pioneer in the emerging paradigm based in science, social policy, and human potential. His background is in systems. I mean, it's fascinating the work that he's done and to date his research has film credits award-winning books. Oh my, published in over 40 languages. Gregg is a true visionary, and I think that in this discussion together today, you will see and understand, tap into something ancient, something eternal. It's not every day you encounter a soul like this, and I'm thrilled to share his wisdom and generosity with you. Please, my friends enjoy Mr. Gregg Braden. Gregg Braden, oh my. The man himself is here on the Let It Be Easy podcast. Welcome

Gregg Braden:

Susie,It's so good to see you. We have been trying to do this since the year 2022, and I'm not sure how that happened. And I'm coming to you. Well, I'm coming to you from our studio. It's just outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico today. And you just told me you're in Miami, so my feeling is once you get to Earth, everything's close.

Susie Moore:

So

Gregg Braden:

We're not that far away.

Susie Moore:

I was actually just before you joined me, I was doing my HeartMath love heart math. My friend Emily taught me all about it. I've been reading the Wisdom codes, Gregg. Wow. Yes, I've been trying to book you for a long time. You're a man, busy, busy, busy. I know. And I'm just so honored to have this time with you. I kept thinking this morning, gosh, I really want to maximize it. I could keep you for four days, but I mean, I think I really want to dive into some of the stuff I've been really enjoying in the wisdom codes. And I think that there are so many ways that we could go together.

Gregg Braden:

Well, if you kept me for four days, my office would come to your house and find me. So this is the first time you and I have done this together and it is kind of like a dance. And I am happy to follow the ladies lead in this dance. Nothing is off the table. I'm happy to talk about anything. We can go wide or we can be very specific about one particular book or one concept. So Susie, I'm going to follow your lead today and just trust that you know how to lead us to honor our family and our community. That's what's really important here.

Susie Moore:

I know our listeners are excited. I did already tell them that you are coming up and I mean, Greg, you have such a body of work. There are so many ways that we can go, like we said, but rereading actually the wisdom codes. Most recently, I have to say, I mean on some level, I've always kind of known and believed when I was a kid, we went to Sunday school because we relied so much on church donations in our family for toys, for goodies and so forth for clothes. And I remember learning that your tongue is your sword. I learned that young, and so I'm careful. Even English people like me with self vacing, we joke about things a lot, but I'm even careful when it comes to things I even joke about with myself. And of course, you have all the script. I mean, you've done the research. There's so much here, but you kick off the book by sharing a couple of quotes. Maybe you know them by heart already.

Gregg Braden:

Andrew Newberg is the quote,

Susie Moore:

And you say a single, well, he says A single word has the power to influence the expression of genes that regulate physical and emotional stress. And then Emily Dickinson, who's a poet, but still wonderful, I know nothing in the world that has as much power as a word. And you share in your preface that we have the power to rewire our brains on demands. And in doing so to choose to self-regulate the way we respond to life's extremes. So Greg, what if someone's thinking, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Life doesn't work that way. What I say doesn't matter, nothing I say comes true. What does it matter what I say, what I'm telling myself, what I'm putting out there?

Gregg Braden:

Well, their lives are the answer to any questions they may have in terms of how effective this is. But I just want to clarify something you began with. We all self a face. Sometimes we tell jokes. I mean, if you listen to country Western music, the words in those songs and you say, well, am I hurting myself if I'm singing a country western song a million times a day? The words are important, Susie, but what the science is showing and what was not encapsulated in that quote is it is the significance that we give to the words, the meaning that we give to what it is that we're saying. And the meaning, the significance has deep roots in our emotions. It is an interaction between the heart and the brain, between the neural network of the heart that was discovered in 1991 and the neural network of the brain that we've known about for a long time.

So the words there is a vibratory component to the words, and I want to acknowledge that. And it is important. I spent a lot of time from the mid nineties, I guess, into the mid two thousands leading groups into the highlands of Central China and Tibet. And what I can say firsthand, we would visit 12 monasteries in two nunnery over 26 days, almost 18,000 feet above sea level. And when we would sit in the midst of those monks and the chanting halls, we weren't like observers. We were sitting with them as they would do the chants. There is a vibratory component to the, even if you don't understand the works, a very, very powerful vibratory component. Our bodies respond to that vibration. A lot of new science now is showing that we respond to humming. And by dear friend, my spiritual brother, Jonathan Goldman, has written a book called The Humming Effect, and that they're showing how the vibratory impact from humming actually can help dementia and Alzheimer's and things like that. So these are very real effects coming from something that we typically take for granted. So what I'd like to do, let me start with your permission. Do I have your permission to please?

Gregg Braden:

Well, let me just talk about when we form a word, Susie, something so extraordinary happens that we all take for granted because we've learned to do it so very well. But I'm going to look right in the camera and I'm going to invite our family and our community to think about this. When we form a word, here's what happens. We begin in order of the most intimate experiences you could ever imagine, we invite the air from the world around us to penetrate deep into the world within us. So we're inviting That is not us inside of our bodies. We breathe the breath of life as the ancients called it, and we breathe it in one direction, down through the windpipe and down into a very special place, excuse me, in the lower part of our abdomen where our diaphragm, we then subconsciously begin to flutter our diaphragm in just the right way to drive the air that we just invited into our bodies to drive it back out from the same path that came from.

And on the way out, what begins to happen is that we also flutter two muscles in our throat. We call our vocal cords. We flutter those muscles in just the right way to create the acoustic patterns that represent the thought or the emotion that we are experiencing in that moment. So we're creating an acoustic wave pattern, and then we expel that back into the world around us. And those acoustic waves travel and fall upon the eardrums of another or the skin or the hair, the body of another living, being human and non-human. And our acoustic patterns that we have created from that way do have a direct impact. And we interpret through our senses beyond the five senses. So when we are talking about the words that we use, I think it's important to acknowledge just the extraordinary nature of what it is to create the word.

Now, once we receive those acoustic patterns, or if we're reading a book in our mind, if we're reading to ourselves, what we're doing is the associations that we, the meaning, the significance that we give to those words, we begin to build neural pathways, neural networks that reflect that meaning. So neurons are very social cells. They love to hook up, neurons want to hook up. So they're looking for another neuron that has the characteristics that neuron has in a moment and in time. And what's really interesting, it doesn't happen like in a second, what the time lapse photographs that scientists have created inside the human brain show. It takes about 72 hours, about three days for a neuron to build the extensions of itself, the dendrites, and begin searching for other neurons and find those neurons and establish the connections. And they will go through a process of hit and miss. They may connect to a neuron and then disconnect, and then another neuron. It's fascinating to see this process. Okay, so now can we go really deep? Go deep with this? Yes, yes. All right. So here's the mindblower. And this is where one of those places where science and spirituality come together in a really, really beautiful way. Because what the science now is suggesting is that our memories do not reside within our physical bodies. Our memories don't reside in the brain.

The brain and our heart create the neural networks. Those neural networks are like biological antenna that tune to a place in the field. And there's a whole conversation we can have about the field, and I'm sure some of your guests have talked about the field. So lemme just say this, scientists are now in agreement that there is a field of energy underlying all existence. It was announced in the year 2012 in the scientific community. So there's no controversy as to whether or not the field exists. The controversy is what is our relationship to the field and how deep does the field go? So one of the things excuse things that they're finding is that it appears that our thoughts, our memories reside in that field. Our skills, if we're trying to learn a foreign language, or I'm a musician, if I'm trying to learn a guitar piece that another musician, Stephen Vi, for example, is a very popular contemporary guitarist.

If I'm trying to learn Stephen via my guitar, I go through the motions and it feels awkward at first. Or if we're trying to learn a foreign language, we go through the motions and it feels awkward and it sounds awkward, and all of a sudden you wake up one morning and man, you're thinking and speaking in Spanish or French or Chinese or Tibetan, my Tibetan is really bad, so I shouldn't use that. So what happened, what happened in that time in between is that it is the act, act of us striving to become something more in a future moment than we are in the present moment. The desire to learn something new, to accomplish something, to master something, a language, a word, a song, a music, whatever that is, the act of us desiring to do that is the impetus. It's the biological drive that compels the neurons to create the antenna to tune to the place in the field where Spanish lives.

All the people in all the world that have ever spoken Spanish are all linking into that field. All the musicians that ever played Carlos Santana are linking into that field. This is why the US military doesn't like this, because it means there really are no secrets if you know how to tune your vibratory system in your resonant antenna into the field, and they use this in military applications. A remote viewing is where an individual will sit in a room in a building and be guided in consciousness to travel in the field to identify enemy targets in the desert on the other side of the planet. They did this in the first Gulf War very successfully to find scud missiles in Iraq so that troops didn't have to risk their lives going out to do this. So there's whole conversation we can have around that. The point is that what we're talking about, it's not a metaphor, it's not airy fairy, it's not new age.

It's so real that it has real life applications. And unknowingly, Susie, we use this every day because when we choose to become something more in the future moment, then we are in the moment of our choice. That is the trigger. Now that tells our biology to begin to configure itself, to accomplish that intention, and we have to be patient. I'm going to say typically, because I know there are exceptions, typically takes about 72 hours. If you know what's happening, there are ways you can enhance that, then you can accelerate that process. But this is, so here's a really practical application. I know we have parents that are watching us and maybe mothers, grandmothers especially, that want to help their kids learn. And man, the kids that are coming in today are really, really very powerful children and they don't learn the way maybe that we did.

I'm a child of the 1950s, 1960s, and I know that young people learn very differently. And if new information doesn't come easily to a lot of young people, they get frustrated and they want to give up. And this is where we can help them. If we can encourage them to stay with it for that 72 hours, stay with trying to learn that math or trying to learn that language or whatever that is, they will, if they can stay with it now, they're giving their body what it needs to be able to accomplish these goals. And here's the beautiful thing, once they accomplish those goals, they feel so proud. They've proven to themselves that they can do something so extraordinary. It makes them want to do it again and again and again, and challenge themselves on even greater levels. So this is a practical application of what we began with the power of the words.

If we know where the words, because I don't want to say it's the word itself. The word is the vibratory component that links us to the place in the field and all kinds of implications around that dementia. What does that mean? When people begin to forget who they are and forget what their role in life is, it means their antenna are losing access to the field. And there are a lot of psychological implications in this because when you talk to many of those people, they are from a generation. What the studies are showing is that the incidence of dementia all kinds increased with what's called the baby boom, baby boomer generation. Now, it's not just because there were more, but statistically more of those people. And when they're interviewed, and a lot of paper has been written about this, they will say they want to forget the hurt in their lives.

They want to forget the Holocaust. They want to forget World War ii. They want to forget this suffering. And when you say that to your body, that is a command to your body, and your body doesn't judge it, right, wrong, good or bad. Your body says, okay, I can do that. So the body actually begins to generate chemicals that intercept the signals between the synapses of the neurons. So you can try to think the thought, but the chemical soaks up that signal and you'll never connect to the field. So the flip side of that is that when we heal the hurts, rather than wanting to forget them or make them go away, when we can actually embrace, we can't change what happened, and we all have trauma in our lives and everyone does, and one person's trauma may not be a trauma to another person.

It's all based on our filters. But when we begin to embrace and heal our trauma, our body does not have the need to intercept those signals and lead us to forgetting. I saw this firsthand. I'll just say this. I saw it firsthand. I lost my mom to covid in December of 20, and she was also in late stage dementia at the same time. And my mom had a difficult life. My father, I'm the product of a very dysfunctional, abusive, alcoholic family. My father left when I was 10. My mom had to raise. I have a younger brother, four years younger. My mom had to raise us alone then. She didn't know how to do that, didn't have a job, and it was a crazy time. And she had a lot of hurt in her life when she left this world. The last conversation I had with her, she was a really happy girl because she had forgotten everything that had ever hurt her in her life. The way that she went about it was by creating the dementia. And that is a path. And I'm not saying it's right, wrong, good or bad, and I'm saying is there are options and other paths where we can heal and embrace the trauma and still have the memories, but give new meaning to the memories. Does that make sense if I say it that way?

Susie Moore:

Oh my gosh, yes. I mean, Gregg, wow, I've heard Louise Hay who was a friend of yours, share something along those lines too, how it's in service to us, the things that happen to us physically, even though it makes sense in some way, even though we want to reject it or resist it, that our body is serving us. I mean, one thing that you said too, which completely makes sense to me, which is why I also love the HeartMath technique and why I love really creating the resonance. Don't just say the words because hey, we set them ticket off the list today. It's the feeling and the feeling is what connects. And I took a quote here from you, from your book when you share with when you were in Tibet and you spoke with the master, the guru, and he said, no, the chant is to create the feeling. You can observe us praying or chanting, but it's not the words. I mean, they're neutral almost, but it's what we create. And when you were sharing too about how if I, and I am learning French, actually I have a tutor. So every time I'm learning that consistently, I feel like based on what you just said, I have the assistance of people. It makes me want to cry.

Gregg Braden:

Well, I wish someone, first of all, I'm going to acknowledge some of the things we're talking about are a very different way of thinking. For some people, in some circles, it's common knowledge and it's very well known. In other circles, people say, what the hell are you talking about? Of course, my memories are my brain. I remember I grew up in Missouri. I was born and raised in Missouri. And when Albert Einstein died, they took his brain out of his body and they sent it to a lab in Kansas, right next to Missouri. And when I was in college, I had the opportunity to look, they thin sectioned his brain, they sliced it in the thin sections to find out what made him so unique. And what they found was nothing. His brain looked like everyone else's, with one exception, there was one exception. His brain had many more folds than you would typically find in an adult human.

And what that means is if you were to take that brain and all those folds and stretch it out so it wasn't all compact, the more folds there are, it means the more surface area of the brain, that surface area is made of neurons, which are the antenna connecting us to the field. So you could say that he had, for whatever reason, had developed, he had a more developed antenna. He had a greater surface area, more of the neurons creating a larger antenna that allowed him to reach into the field in different places. And that was the main difference that they found. So something I want to say, and I knew our time ago quickly today, so maybe we'll call, I know we'll call this Greg and Su, we'll call it part one. Yeah. But you mentioned the Institute of HeartMath. I am not their employee.

I have worked with heart mass, studied with them almost since their inception on the West coast in 19 90, 19 91, right around in there. They had a community on the east coast. Prior to that. One of the things that the heart mass studies have found, they were the ones that announced in 1991, the discovery of a neural network in the human heart, about 40,000 specialized cells in the human heart. And I mean, this was kind of a mindblower because no one was thinking to look, why would you look for brain cells in the heart? But this neural network in the heart, it thinks independently of the cranial brain. It feels independently, it remembers independently. So if you're healing trauma, there are a lot of implications here. If you're healing trauma, you want to address the heart's memory as well as the brain's memory. Well, the beautiful thing, and one of the tools that help us to heal trauma in a healthy way is that when we use HeartMath techniques for creating coherence between the heart and the brain, then there's a three-step process.

I talk about it in the book and go to their website. Yeah, you may have talked about it or had yes on that, do that. When we create the coherence through focus, breath and feeling in our bodies, and we are in coherence, what that means is we've established an energetic link between the heart and the brain, between the two neural networks. So what we're actually doing is harmonizing two organs, the heart and the brain, into a single potent system. And here's the beauty of what happens when we do that, when we reexamine our trauma. So we have a memory of childhood trauma, the heart does not have a left and right heart, the way the brain has a left and right brain. So if you are trying to heal your trauma in your mind with the left and the right brain, these are called the ego loops.

The left brain is all about logic and spatial relationships. And the right brain is intuition, feeling color, things like that. So the brain always does what it's made to do. It will see your trauma in polarity, and it will see good and bad, right and wrong worthy, not worthy success, failure, sick, healed. I mean, this is what the brain does. And those ego loops will keep you locked up and keep you really busy for decades of your life. I know this from experience, but here's the beauty. When we engage the heart, the heart does not have the polarity. So the heart, our hearts will allow us to embrace the experience without judging the experience, without those polarities, giving new meaning, new significance to the experience. And this is a powerful tool in healing trauma in a healthy way. So you don't have to disconnect your neurons from the field.

You don't have to create a chemical in your body and develop all of the different kinds of dementias that there are out there because you can't change what happened. All you can do is change what it means to you and the heart. Part of my heritage is southeastern Cherokee. And in my southeastern Cherokee heritage, there is a word for what we're talking about that doesn't exist in the English language. So what they call is Shanta Chante. Ista means the single eye of the heart. It's the single eye of the heart that sees what's true objectively without judging it. And in that way, we empower ourselves to move forward in our lives in a healthy way because we're all going to have trauma. We're all going to have experiences that create hurt in suffering in some way, hopefully less than others. But just to show you how powerful this is, these techniques are being used in the refugee camps in Jordan for the Syrian refugees, the Civil War.

And I know firsthand they're also being used from what's happening in Israel right now from, and it's not just for Israelis. I mean the Israelis have the facilities there, but they are helping people from all refugee camps, from all around the area to deal with the trauma that they are experiencing real time right now. So just to say that there are real applications for these concepts that actually have a deeply spiritual origin because our ancestors have always talked to us about the power of the heart from a philosophical perspective. And now we know, while that may be true, and it is true in many respects, there's actually a biological component, a physiological component to everything that we're talking about.

Susie Moore:

It's almost like Gregg, isn't it like a return? Somehow you are referencing these ancient scriptures and it's like we're coming back to our true nature. We are coming back to the truth, truly going through a book, going through the codes, understanding the parables. Oh my God,

Gregg Braden:

There's so much. I think there's a beautiful symmetry to what's happening in our world now. I'm a scientist, trained as a scientist, I'm a systems thinker. And systems thinkers tend to, we begin looking at the big picture to very high level to see where all the components fit together. And when I do that with consideration, what we're talking about here we are, we have a globalized society, probably the largest population earth has ever seen. We don't think there've ever been 8 billion people on the planet closer to destroying ourselves in the ecology, in nature, in war and civil unrest and social unrest. Because of what we think are our differences, we're closer to destroying ourselves based upon our differences. And at the same time, it's only now that the wisdom of our most ancient and cherished spiritual traditions is being validated by the best science of the modern world that tells us on a very, very deep level, those differences don't exist. And that help us to find a way to create the consciousness, not just to survive, but to transcend, to become more than. We don't want to just get by. We want to become better people and create a better world. And we do this by transcending the suffering of the past. And there's another component here. May I take this one step further?

Susie Moore:

Please

Gregg Braden:

Yes. I think it's no secret to anyone watching this. If you're watching this, there's a new world emerging, and there's an old world that is buckling and collapsing under the weight of its own unsustainability. Whether we're talking about banking systems, financial systems, energy systems, defense systems, climate systems, whatever we're talking about, there's a world that is collapsing and the new world emerging. It's not quite here yet. And we are the generation that's giving birth to the new world. And while I know that I do not know everyone watching this podcast, I would imagine that I know something about everyone watching this podcast. And that is simply this, the new world that we build in this lifetime. I don't think we want to take the hurt from the past as the foundation for that new world because it will influence the politics and the thinking. I don't think we want take the suffering of the generations of the 19th and the 20th centuries and the Holocaust and the war and the differences based upon religion and the color of our skin.

I don't think we want to take that into the new world. How do you transcend that? Well, you can't change what happened. You've got to be able to think differently about it. You don't want to erase your history. You don't want to rewrite your history. You want to be honest and embrace, but give it a new meaning. And the power of the heart is one of the most powerful ways to do that. Because what we just said, when we learn to engage our past incoherence through the power of our heart, we give it a new meaning, and we take it out of the polarity and the judgment. We can look at things objectively and use discernment, not judgment, but discernment. Discernment says it's when you look at something and you say, that happened. And I don't want that to happen again. But you're not judging it because it's our judgment that keeps us locked into the trap, the ancient trap of the polarities that lock us in generation after generation to the hate and the fear and the hurt. So this generation, we have the power to transcend that. And Susie, you nailed it, because it's only now as we come full circle in the cycles of civilization and climate and finance, that the science is caught up with the wisdom of our ancestors. And what they're saying, I'll just encapsulate the heart, is where the action is. That's my cup I decided to bring here today.

Susie Moore:

The heart always know the action is.

Gregg Braden:

And it really is. And again, I know it's a very different way. Even my scientific colleagues, a lot of them just think they're not on board with this message. But I think we'll have to be.

Susie Moore:

Give it time.

Gregg Braden:

Give time. We'll have to be. There are a lot of places where science has to catch up with what we know, what our lived experience tells us is true. So science had to catch up with the validity of intuition. Although mothers have known that their intuition was right on with their children for years

Susie Moore:

Science, and we all have those experiences. We we're like, oh, I got all this advice. Or the expert said, and then you're like, oh, something else new. Something that feels eternal somehow within.

Gregg Braden:

Well, science is just a language to help us interpret our world. And it's actually, as a scientist, I mean, I have to say this, it's a relatively young language. Science began about 300 years ago when Isaac Newton formalized the laws of physics, when they say, when the apple dropped out of the tree. And he said, okay, there's gravity. I'm paraphrasing and taking a lot of liberties, but it's a relatively young way of looking at the world, whereas what we call spirituality, not religion, but spirituality is about relationships, Susie, it's about our relationship to ourselves, number one, to people around us. Number two, our relationship to the earth, to the heavens, to God, to the past, to the future, to time and to space. Relationships are the foundation of spirituality. Religions came along later and wrapped the rules and the dogma around those already existing relationships. So I'm not talking about religion, but for over 5,000 years, our ancestors understood. They weren't scientists, but they understood the principles of our relationship to healing and to the cosmos. And now science, not a hundred percent, but in many instances, science is validating those ancient principles and helping us to embody them in our lives in a really healthy way. So that's the symmetry of where we are. Other than that, not much going on in the world.

Susie Moore:

Gregg, what is your intention for your work when someone encounters you? Because I feel like, gosh, I was telling my friends, oh my gosh, Greg Braden. They're like, how would you define his work? I'm like, I can't

Gregg Braden:

Put it into a box. I did a radio program and out of New York, I won't name any names, but it was a morning talk show. And when the interviewer brought me on, there was no introduction, no welcome to the program. It's what we call a hostile interview. And the first thing he said was, Greg Braden, why can't you stick with one topic like everybody else? He says, man, you're all over the place. He says, are you writing about spirituality or the magnetic fields of the planet? Are you writing about ancient civilizations or the power of words? And I thought he was joking at first, and I realized he wasn't. And I said, well, I said, first of all, I've done this for over 40, 40 years, and this now is the 42nd year that I'm doing this work in one form or another. And I said, yes, my work covers a lot of ground. And if you look closely, every one of those books and every one of those topics explores one facet of us and our relationship to the world and how to become better people and create a better world. So in a very real sense, I've stayed with one topic. It's just a big topic. And he said, okay. He said, let's go to the station break. And he never came back. That was it. That was the end of the interview.

Susie Moore:

Oh, you didn't realize how lucky was to have you.

Gregg Braden:

Thank you. That's very kind. Thank you.

Susie Moore:

Can I share one favorite part of the wisdom codes with you that I love so much? It's under the section, the parables. So how the book ends, and it's about the woman and the jar.

Gregg Braden:

It's my favorite parable as well.

Susie Moore:

So I had this conversation with my community many times in lots of different ways. I'm almost thinking, should I kick it to you? I mean, there's a particular part too that you break down that I really love, which is, so there's a woman. Would I just share it and then I'll share this particular point that you make that I love?

Gregg Braden:

Do you want me to share? So I am ticking down on time. I'm going to have to jump off here. I know soon, because there's another interview coming in the parable. It comes from, first of all, it is a powerful parable that was discovered in 19 47, 46, 47 N as part of the Hamadi, H-A-M-M-A-D-D-I, Hamadi Library in Egypt, which are now recognized as the oldest records of the New Testament, and are very controversial because there were books contained in that part of the New Testament that had been edited out. 43 books had been removed in the fourth century by the Emperor Constantine, the early Catholic church. So this was a book that was called the Gospel of Thomas. Thomas did was his name. He was a scribe that followed Jesus. And so is 114 sayings from the master as he's traveling with disciples. This particular parable talks about a woman walking on a road.

She has a jar full of meal, the jar breaks. She doesn't know that. And she begins to lose the meal trails out behind her in the road. And she gets to her home, she reaches into that jar for the meal to feed her family, and the jar is empty, and she cannot feed her family is the implication. The parable is this, we are the jar, we are the vessel, we are the temple. And we're told that often. So we are the jar. The meal is our love and knowingly and sometimes unknowingly, we go through life compromising ourselves and giving pieces of ourselves away, giving our love away to keep the peace in the family. Sometimes for survival, our love is either given away or taken away by those who have power over us, little by little, by little. And sometimes we're not even aware of it.

And what happens is one day someone comes into our lives that we truly want to give of ourselves and to love like we've never loved anyone else. And we reach inside and it's empty because we've given so much away. It's either been lost, given away, or taken from us. And that begins then a journey of retrieving those parts of ourselves so that we can love wholly once again. And when I think of how the master would've conveyed this concept to a largely uneducated population over 2000 years ago, and how beautifully precise it is today, 2000 years later, I'm in awe of his wisdom and his ability as a man, not a religious figure, but as a man to have the empathy with his community, to be able to communicate this concept in a way that is meaningful to them and still honor them with his deep truth. So that is my favorite parable in the book. The Wisdom Codes.

Susie Moore:

Yeah, I love it. And I love how you share too, how if you ever meet somebody who just you feel so drawn to and they just inspire you how it's you are meeting yourself. I mean,

Gregg Braden:

This is profound. This is you encountering someone. Our prime directive is to become whole. And when we go through life, we will be attracted to people that hold the energetic pieces that we have lost, given away, or had taken away from us. We don't always know that. So we say, oh, I'm in love. And maybe you are, and maybe you're not. Because often when we then spend time with those people and we reclaim that part of ourselves, we say, well, the feeling is gone. The feeling is gone because you've reclaimed that part of yourself and you don't need that person to fill in that missing piece. And I talk about that extensively in that book. So let's do this. Let's do that for, we'll do Greg and Susie part two. We can talk about that.

Susie Moore:

Stay tuned. Friends, Gregg Braden, thank you so much. Run along to your next interview. What a joy having you. I'm linking to all of the work, all everything. Gregg Braden, you must check out what a delight, truly, until part two.

Gregg Braden:

Thank you so much. I just want to say thank you for your trust, because the truth is we've never worked together. You had no idea what I was going to say today. And so that's a level of trust to share with your community. And thank you for the work you do to create a community and to help people be the best version of themselves so we can create the best world possible. And I very much look forward to our next.

Susie Moore:

Me too. Gregg, thank you. Until part two, my friends, so much love and ease. .